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				|  Posté le: Mar Juil 13, 2010 6:16 am    Sujet du message: Fortucci Pesaturo |   |  
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				| Hi can anyone help!. my  GGGrandmother. Came to the Uk as a widow sometime in the 1870's . Her name was Maria Boni(nee Fortucci). She Married an Alessandro Pesaturo  in Glasgow in 1879. these names don't seem to be common italian names. her son carmine Boni would have been about 13 years old then but i cannot find him on the census for 1881. i am just getting confused now!. where does the name Pesaturo originate from in Italy
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 5:10 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| Lol - this is where some of the spellings of the census enumerators give you a good laugh! 
 You can't find them on the 1881 census because Carmine Boni is listed on Ancestry under "Carmena Baun"  His details are :-
 
 Carmena Baun
 Age: 16
 Estimated birth year: abt 1865
 Relationship: Boarder
 Gender: Male
 Where born: Italy
 Registration Number: 644/5
 Registration district: Blackfriars
 Civil parish: Glasgow St Paul
 County: Lanarkshire
 Address: 13 Bell Street
 Occupation: Street Musician
 ED: 26
 Household schedule number: 14
 Line: 16
 Roll: cssct1881_226
 Household Members: Name Age
 Flemina Fannell 33
 Pascolina Fannell 2
 Louis Fannell 1
 Carmena Baun 16
 Caterina Fannell 60
 
 His mum and step-dad are (I think!) listed as "Marie and Savario Pisatoor".
 
 Marie Pisatoor
 Age: 36
 Estimated birth year: abt 1845
 Relationship: Head
 Spouse's name : Savario
 Gender: Female
 Where born: Italy
 Registration Number: 644/5
 Registration district: Blackfriars
 Civil parish: Glasgow St Paul
 County: Lanarkshire
 Address: 13 Bell Street
 Occupation: Street Musician
 ED: 26
 Household schedule number: 19
 Line: 12
 Roll: cssct1881_226
 Household Members: Name Age
 Marie Pisatoor 36
 Savario Pisatoor 29
 Sabetta Mirtooch 34
 
 Notice that although Carmine is listed as a 'lodger' in a different household, he is living at the same address.
 
 You will be able to see the original image for a small cost at Scotlan's People - but they may be indexed under a slightly different spelling depedning on how difficult the handwriting is to read.
 
 I'll try and find them on other censuses for you later.  I have a way with indexes
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 6:15 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| I can't find Carmine so far on the 1901 census - but I think this might be the Pesaturas - 
 Name: Pesaturs Saveris
 Age: 48
 Estimated birth year: abt 1853
 Relationship: Head
 Gender: Male
 Where born: Italy
 Registration Number: 644/7
 Registration district: Blythswood
 Civil parish: Glasgow St Stephens
 County: Lanarkshire
 Address: 40 West Russell St
 Occupation: Tye Cream Shopkeeper
 ED: 28
 Household schedule number: 73
 Line: 1
 Roll: CSSCT1901_292
 Household Members: Name Age
 Pesaturs Saveris 48
 Alexander Peraturs 15
 Serapino Rhonzie 28
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 6:59 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| The wedding in 1879 is between Maria Fortucci and "Severo Pezature" on the indexes at Scotland's people. _________________
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 7:31 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| The 1891 census took a bit of finding!  here it is :- 
 Name: Saverin Pestara
 Age: 38
 Estimated birth year: abt 1853
 Relationship: Head
 Spouse's name : Mary
 Gender: Male
 Where born: Itlay
 Registration Number: 644/5
 Registration district: Blackfriars
 Civil parish: Glasgow Iron Church
 County: Lanarkshire
 Address: 76 Saltmarket
 Occupation: Ice Cream Dealer
 ED: 66
 Household schedule number: 19
 Line: 5
 Roll: CSSCT1891_261
 Household Members: Name Age
 Saverin Pestara 38
 Mary Pestara 48
 Carmanuch Pestara 26
 Carmella Bone 23
 Angelina Pestaro 59
 Papuch Lucina 30
 Rosie Sucanden 22
 Atellia Pestaro 22
 Lervis Dimarcio 20
 Alexanderia Mcral 6
 Vincient Boni 3
 Lardicin March 20
 Climentina Pasterella 24
 
 Carmine (Carmanuch) seems be using his step-father's surname (he is listed as 'son' under 'relationship to head of household')  Carmella is using 'Bone'.  She is listed as 'daughter-in-law'  The Vincient looks like he is their son as he is listed as 'grandson'.
 
 Carmine Boni is listed as a witness in the 1890/91 trial we were talking about (I knew I had seen his name somewhere!), and his address was 74 Saltmarket.  That is the only way I managed to find this household as that spelling was beyond my imagination - lol.
 
 The "Alexanderia Mcral" is actually the son of Saverio and Maria.
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 9:21 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| Hi Marissa 
 How on earth did you find that record!!. You are a genius thanks so much!.
 And yes that was his step dad!!
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 10:32 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| Lol - many years of searching indexes and finding all sorts of weird and wonderful spellings! 
 I'm wondering if the "Lervis Dimarcio" on the 1891 census might have been Lucia Di Marco - his second wife.  Its probably worth a look at the original image to see if its any easier to read.  You would also be able to look at the 1879 marriage certificate of Maria Fortucci on the same site (Scotlands People) which would give you her parents names.  Have you been on that site at all?  The spellings on the index are likely to be a bit different to those on Ancestry as they have been transcribed by a different group of people.
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 10:42 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| Nope - scrub that - 'Lervis' is male  _________________
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				|  Posté le: Jeu Juil 15, 2010 6:02 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| Yes I have been on the site and I do have a copy of that census. it certain  ly is worth a closer look. like you I think that could be Lucia DeMarco!!. thanks for the help. Couldn't sleep last night for thinking  about i tall!! _________________
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				|  Posté le: Mer Juil 28, 2010 2:59 pm    Sujet du message: tracing death certificates |   |  
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				| I think my Ggrandfather may have died in Rome . How would I go about tracing his death certificate   
 
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				|  Posté le: Mer Sep 18, 2024 3:02 pm    Sujet du message: Re: tracing death certificates |   |  
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				|  	  | paulineC a écrit: |  	  | I think my Ggrandfather may have died in Rome . How would I go about tracing his death certificate   
 
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 Pauline - I would love to know if you got any further with this? Carmine is my great-great-grandfather!
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				| I have tried messaging you but it seems to be stuck in the outbox Heather _________________
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				|  Posté le: Mer Sep 18, 2024 4:05 pm    Sujet du message: |   |  
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				| Heather I never got any further since after mum died it made me feel too sad . All the Boni family I know have gone . I have some photos I can send you but don’t know how to of Carmine Boni I do remember a Josephine Fortucci when I was checking the records
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