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		paulineC
 
 
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				 Posté le: Mar Juil 13, 2010 6:16 am    Sujet du message: Fortucci Pesaturo | 
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				Hi
 
can anyone help!. my  GGGrandmother. Came to the Uk as a widow sometime in the 1870's . Her name was Maria Boni(nee Fortucci). She Married an Alessandro Pesaturo  in Glasgow in 1879. these names don't seem to be common italian names. her son carmine Boni would have been about 13 years old then but i cannot find him on the census for 1881. i am just getting confused now!. where does the name Pesaturo originate from in Italy _________________ pauline Cormack | 
			 
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		Marisa
 
  
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 5:10 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				Lol - this is where some of the spellings of the census enumerators give you a good laugh!
 
 
You can't find them on the 1881 census because Carmine Boni is listed on Ancestry under "Carmena Baun"  His details are :-
 
 
Carmena Baun 
 
Age: 16 
 
Estimated birth year: abt 1865 
 
Relationship: Boarder 
 
Gender: Male 
 
Where born: Italy 
 
Registration Number: 644/5 
 
Registration district: Blackfriars 
 
Civil parish: Glasgow St Paul 
 
County: Lanarkshire 
 
Address: 13 Bell Street 
 
Occupation: Street Musician 
 
ED: 26 
 
Household schedule number: 14 
 
Line: 16 
 
Roll: cssct1881_226 
 
Household Members: Name Age 
 
Flemina Fannell 33 
 
Pascolina Fannell 2 
 
Louis Fannell 1 
 
Carmena Baun 16 
 
Caterina Fannell 60 
 
 
 
His mum and step-dad are (I think!) listed as "Marie and Savario Pisatoor".
 
 
Marie Pisatoor 
 
Age: 36 
 
Estimated birth year: abt 1845 
 
Relationship: Head 
 
Spouse's name : Savario 
 
Gender: Female 
 
Where born: Italy 
 
Registration Number: 644/5 
 
Registration district: Blackfriars 
 
Civil parish: Glasgow St Paul 
 
County: Lanarkshire 
 
Address: 13 Bell Street 
 
Occupation: Street Musician 
 
ED: 26 
 
Household schedule number: 19 
 
Line: 12 
 
Roll: cssct1881_226 
 
Household Members: Name Age 
 
Marie Pisatoor 36 
 
Savario Pisatoor 29 
 
Sabetta Mirtooch 34 
 
 
Notice that although Carmine is listed as a 'lodger' in a different household, he is living at the same address.
 
 
 
You will be able to see the original image for a small cost at Scotlan's People - but they may be indexed under a slightly different spelling depedning on how difficult the handwriting is to read.
 
 
I'll try and find them on other censuses for you later.  I have a way with indexes    _________________ Marcantonio, Capocci, Palombo, Gizzi, Canini, Cascarini, Campone | 
			 
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		Marisa
 
  
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 6:15 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				I can't find Carmine so far on the 1901 census - but I think this might be the Pesaturas - 
 
 
Name: Pesaturs Saveris 
 
Age: 48 
 
Estimated birth year: abt 1853 
 
Relationship: Head 
 
Gender: Male 
 
Where born: Italy 
 
Registration Number: 644/7 
 
Registration district: Blythswood 
 
Civil parish: Glasgow St Stephens 
 
County: Lanarkshire 
 
Address: 40 West Russell St 
 
Occupation: Tye Cream Shopkeeper 
 
ED: 28 
 
Household schedule number: 73 
 
Line: 1 
 
Roll: CSSCT1901_292 
 
Household Members: Name Age 
 
Pesaturs Saveris 48 
 
Alexander Peraturs 15 
 
Serapino Rhonzie 28 _________________ Marcantonio, Capocci, Palombo, Gizzi, Canini, Cascarini, Campone | 
			 
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		Marisa
 
  
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 6:59 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				The wedding in 1879 is between Maria Fortucci and "Severo Pezature" on the indexes at Scotland's people. _________________ Marcantonio, Capocci, Palombo, Gizzi, Canini, Cascarini, Campone | 
			 
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		Marisa
 
  
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 7:31 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				The 1891 census took a bit of finding!  here it is :-
 
 
Name: Saverin Pestara 
 
Age: 38 
 
Estimated birth year: abt 1853 
 
Relationship: Head 
 
Spouse's name : Mary 
 
Gender: Male 
 
Where born: Itlay 
 
Registration Number: 644/5 
 
Registration district: Blackfriars 
 
Civil parish: Glasgow Iron Church 
 
County: Lanarkshire 
 
Address: 76 Saltmarket 
 
Occupation: Ice Cream Dealer 
 
ED: 66 
 
Household schedule number: 19 
 
Line: 5 
 
Roll: CSSCT1891_261 
 
Household Members: Name Age 
 
Saverin Pestara 38 
 
Mary Pestara 48 
 
Carmanuch Pestara 26 
 
Carmella Bone 23 
 
Angelina Pestaro 59 
 
Papuch Lucina 30 
 
Rosie Sucanden 22 
 
Atellia Pestaro 22 
 
Lervis Dimarcio 20 
 
Alexanderia Mcral 6 
 
Vincient Boni 3 
 
Lardicin March 20 
 
Climentina Pasterella 24 
 
 
 
Carmine (Carmanuch) seems be using his step-father's surname (he is listed as 'son' under 'relationship to head of household')  Carmella is using 'Bone'.  She is listed as 'daughter-in-law'  The Vincient looks like he is their son as he is listed as 'grandson'.
 
 
Carmine Boni is listed as a witness in the 1890/91 trial we were talking about (I knew I had seen his name somewhere!), and his address was 74 Saltmarket.  That is the only way I managed to find this household as that spelling was beyond my imagination - lol.
 
 
The "Alexanderia Mcral" is actually the son of Saverio and Maria. _________________ Marcantonio, Capocci, Palombo, Gizzi, Canini, Cascarini, Campone | 
			 
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		paulineC
 
 
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 9:21 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				Hi Marissa
 
 
How on earth did you find that record!!. You are a genius thanks so much!.
 
And yes that was his step dad!!      _________________ pauline Cormack | 
			 
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		Marisa
 
  
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 10:32 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				Lol - many years of searching indexes and finding all sorts of weird and wonderful spellings!
 
 
I'm wondering if the "Lervis Dimarcio" on the 1891 census might have been Lucia Di Marco - his second wife.  Its probably worth a look at the original image to see if its any easier to read.  You would also be able to look at the 1879 marriage certificate of Maria Fortucci on the same site (Scotlands People) which would give you her parents names.  Have you been on that site at all?  The spellings on the index are likely to be a bit different to those on Ancestry as they have been transcribed by a different group of people. _________________ Marcantonio, Capocci, Palombo, Gizzi, Canini, Cascarini, Campone | 
			 
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 14, 2010 10:42 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				Nope - scrub that - 'Lervis' is male    _________________ Marcantonio, Capocci, Palombo, Gizzi, Canini, Cascarini, Campone | 
			 
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		paulineC
 
 
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				 Posté le: Jeu Juil 15, 2010 6:02 pm    Sujet du message:  | 
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				Yes I have been on the site and I do have a copy of that census. it certain   ly is worth a closer look. like you I think that could be Lucia DeMarco!!. thanks for the help. Couldn't sleep last night for thinking  about i tall!! _________________ pauline Cormack | 
			 
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				 Posté le: Mer Juil 28, 2010 2:59 pm    Sujet du message: tracing death certificates | 
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				I think my Ggrandfather may have died in Rome . How would I go about tracing his death certificate   
 
 
 
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				 Posté le: Mer Sep 18, 2024 3:02 pm    Sujet du message: Re: tracing death certificates | 
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				 	  | paulineC a écrit: | 	 		  I think my Ggrandfather may have died in Rome . How would I go about tracing his death certificate   
 
 
 
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Pauline - I would love to know if you got any further with this? Carmine is my great-great-grandfather! | 
			 
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				I have tried messaging you but it seems to be stuck in the outbox Heather _________________ pauline Cormack
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				Heather I never got any further since after mum died it made me feel too sad . All the Boni family I know have gone . I have some photos I can send you but don’t know how to of Carmine Boni
 
I do remember a Josephine Fortucci when I was checking the records
 
Nice to hear from you _________________ pauline Cormack | 
			 
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